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	<title>Comments on: Avoiding Double Taxation Between Spain and USA</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-3283</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candy, when your husband files his taxes, go with him to the local Hacienda office and explain the situation.  If he puts "married" on his taxes, they'll want to "know a little about you for our files" anyway, so that's the perfect time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candy, when your husband files his taxes, go with him to the local Hacienda office and explain the situation.  If he puts &#8220;married&#8221; on his taxes, they&#8217;ll want to &#8220;know a little about you for our files&#8221; anyway, so that&#8217;s the perfect time.</p>
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		<title>By: candy</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-3282</link>
		<dc:creator>candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks eric! but that is my question, if i DO want to pay taxes, how do I get registered? just show up at hacienda? maybe it is best if i find a gestor!
thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks eric! but that is my question, if i DO want to pay taxes, how do I get registered? just show up at hacienda? maybe it is best if i find a gestor!<br />
thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-3279</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Candy.  Glad I could be of some help.

1) There is no "Spanish tax calculator".  I was just translating what the treaty says and doing the arithmetic with variables for clarity.

2) They only "caught" me because we had been a little too honest about reporting my existence to Hacienda the previous year.  From the stories I've heard of caught tax evaders, I would rather be as honest with Hacienda as I can (&lt;i&gt;especially&lt;/i&gt; if it only costs me 24€ to do so!) than to have them catch up to me when I retire and have them take all my savings/pension away.

I suspect that you &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; get away with your ATM scheme, particularly since Spain is such a cash-based economy.  I thought of that and did so for a while in the UK, but the problem is that, if you're going to do it with any decent quantity of money, you'll have to be extracting the max limit every day and such regular withdrawals might raise an eyebrow on the other side of the Atlantic, particularly in post-9/11 United-terror-fearin-States.

Like I said, you could get away with it, but if you might be living in Spain for a long time, it might be smarter over the long run to pay Hacienda its due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Candy.  Glad I could be of some help.</p>
<p>1) There is no &#8220;Spanish tax calculator&#8221;.  I was just translating what the treaty says and doing the arithmetic with variables for clarity.</p>
<p>2) They only &#8220;caught&#8221; me because we had been a little too honest about reporting my existence to Hacienda the previous year.  From the stories I&#8217;ve heard of caught tax evaders, I would rather be as honest with Hacienda as I can (<i>especially</i> if it only costs me 24€ to do so!) than to have them catch up to me when I retire and have them take all my savings/pension away.</p>
<p>I suspect that you <i>could</i> get away with your ATM scheme, particularly since Spain is such a cash-based economy.  I thought of that and did so for a while in the UK, but the problem is that, if you&#8217;re going to do it with any decent quantity of money, you&#8217;ll have to be extracting the max limit every day and such regular withdrawals might raise an eyebrow on the other side of the Atlantic, particularly in post-9/11 United-terror-fearin-States.</p>
<p>Like I said, you could get away with it, but if you might be living in Spain for a long time, it might be smarter over the long run to pay Hacienda its due.</p>
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		<title>By: candy</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-3276</link>
		<dc:creator>candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am sorry to join this post so late, just found it as I was researching the exact same situation. I have two questions that I hope you don't mind asking:

1) where can I find this "Spanish tax calculator?"

2) it seemed you had to do this because they "caught" you when monitoring your wife's account. What would happen if there is no way they could "catch" you, that is, you were paid US dollars in a US account and just extracted the cash from the Spanish ATMs when you needed it? I mean, my question is not "can you get away with this?" as obviously, despite any risks, you can. My question is, say this is your situation, but you WANT to pay those Spanish taxes. How do you register to Hacienda to get ON their radar?

Does that make sense??

Anyway, great blog. I've lived in Madrid for several years and love reading about other American's experiences in this great country! Thanks for having it!
Candy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am sorry to join this post so late, just found it as I was researching the exact same situation. I have two questions that I hope you don&#8217;t mind asking:</p>
<p>1) where can I find this &#8220;Spanish tax calculator?&#8221;</p>
<p>2) it seemed you had to do this because they &#8220;caught&#8221; you when monitoring your wife&#8217;s account. What would happen if there is no way they could &#8220;catch&#8221; you, that is, you were paid US dollars in a US account and just extracted the cash from the Spanish ATMs when you needed it? I mean, my question is not &#8220;can you get away with this?&#8221; as obviously, despite any risks, you can. My question is, say this is your situation, but you WANT to pay those Spanish taxes. How do you register to Hacienda to get ON their radar?</p>
<p>Does that make sense??</p>
<p>Anyway, great blog. I&#8217;ve lived in Madrid for several years and love reading about other American&#8217;s experiences in this great country! Thanks for having it!<br />
Candy</p>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't do that, Jane!  Didn't you see &lt;i&gt;Beetlejuice&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t do that, Jane!  Didn&#8217;t you see <i>Beetlejuice</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-2660</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eagleburger Eagleburger Eagleburger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eagleburger Eagleburger Eagleburger.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-2659</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally, if everything is fine, the Spanish government will more or less do your taxes for you.  But if there's a problem, they send you a letter saying, "Hey, something strange is going on here.  You need to go to a tax office and explain some things."  That's what happened to my wife.  So we had to explain about me and my work situation.  Which meant I had to file taxes here, which is why all this happened.

I suppose we could have claimed that it was all savings (and that I sit around at home all day doing nothing).  But you can't just move money around like that.  When we transferred the money from selling our house in England, we had to show the bank proof that the money came from a house sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally, if everything is fine, the Spanish government will more or less do your taxes for you.  But if there&#8217;s a problem, they send you a letter saying, &#8220;Hey, something strange is going on here.  You need to go to a tax office and explain some things.&#8221;  That&#8217;s what happened to my wife.  So we had to explain about me and my work situation.  Which meant I had to file taxes here, which is why all this happened.</p>
<p>I suppose we could have claimed that it was all savings (and that I sit around at home all day doing nothing).  But you can&#8217;t just move money around like that.  When we transferred the money from selling our house in England, we had to show the bank proof that the money came from a house sale.</p>
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		<title>By: Spanish Taxman</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-2654</link>
		<dc:creator>Spanish Taxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, no worries Erik. Not sure if you've seen it, but we've got some good threads on the forum on our site that talk about stuff "hypothetically" too. 

So they noticed in 2007. How did they contact you? Or was it directly through your bank? Couldn't you have just been transfering your savings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, no worries Erik. Not sure if you&#8217;ve seen it, but we&#8217;ve got some good threads on the forum on our site that talk about stuff &#8220;hypothetically&#8221; too. </p>
<p>So they noticed in 2007. How did they contact you? Or was it directly through your bank? Couldn&#8217;t you have just been transfering your savings?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik R.</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-2652</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Tyler.  It's because big chunks of money arrive from &lt;i&gt;el extranjero&lt;/i&gt; in the bank account in my wife's name.  And the Spanish government flags that kind of behavior (as it should, really) and won't allow her to file her taxes until it's explained.

They didn't notice until 2007, and I'm not tellin' anything else.

(Si lees esto y trabajas con Hacienda, estoy hablando hipotéticamente.  Según los papeles, no vivia tanto tiempo en España antes de 2007 para necesitar declarar mi renta.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Tyler.  It&#8217;s because big chunks of money arrive from <i>el extranjero</i> in the bank account in my wife&#8217;s name.  And the Spanish government flags that kind of behavior (as it should, really) and won&#8217;t allow her to file her taxes until it&#8217;s explained.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t notice until 2007, and I&#8217;m not tellin&#8217; anything else.</p>
<p>(Si lees esto y trabajas con Hacienda, estoy hablando hipotéticamente.  Según los papeles, no vivia tanto tiempo en España antes de 2007 para necesitar declarar mi renta.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.erik-rasmussen.com/blog/2008/06/26/avoiding-double-taxation-between-spain-and-usa/#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post. I've also been doing something like this for the past few years. If you get paid in the USA, however, how does Spain know about this income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post. I&#8217;ve also been doing something like this for the past few years. If you get paid in the USA, however, how does Spain know about this income?</p>
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